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Crapless craps: the come-out wins only on 7
Crapless craps is the variant where a come-out pass wins only on 7, and where 2, 3, 11 and 12 become points instead of instant winners or losers, which is the only variant this page covers. Even-money pass line bets with no odds carry about a 5.38% edge, and no other edge is quoted here. The standard come-out, with its own wins and losses, lives on the craps odds guide, and you must be 18, or older where local law sets a higher age.
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Points on 2, 3, 11 and 12
The come-out is the first roll of a pass decision. In this variant that roll wins immediately only when the dice total 7. Every other total becomes the point, including the totals that feel like craps or like an instant yo on a standard layout.
Once the point is 2, the pass needs another 2 before a 7. A point of 3 needs a 3 before a 7.
A point of 11 needs an 11 before a 7. A point of 12 needs a 12 before a 7. Those repeats are scarce, which is why the price of an even-money pass is harsher than players expect from the word "line."
Crapless craps explained in one decision
You are betting the sequence, not a single roll's glamour. The come-out either wins on 7 or sets a point.
The point phase then races that total against a 7. There is no separate "craps number" that loses on contact. The layout's name comes from that absence.
This page stays inside that rule. The full standard come-out, including which totals win or lose before a point exists, is on craps odds.
Online craps is the broader table. Neighboring dice, if you want a different layout entirely, include sic bo.
The rest of the casino shelf is the casino games topic hub. Those pages are not a second price list for this pass.
A point of 2 can repeat in one way, and a 7 can arrive in six ways. That scarcity sits inside the single about 5.38% edge for even money with no odds. It is not its own edge for the point of 2.
The same warning covers 3, 11, and 12. Do not peel them off and price them as one-roll hops. A hop's price is not published on this page.
The edge applies to a resolved decision, not to each roll while a point is working. A $50 pass sitting on 12 can take many throws. Those throws do not each cost another 5.38%.
A second pass, bet while the first is still alive, is a new stake. If it is also even money and also without odds, the same about 5.38% describes it. If you add odds, this page stops quoting.
This page is only the point-on-2-3-11-12 variant
Say the boundary out loud so the standard game does not leak in. This page is only the variant where 2, 3, 11 and 12 are points. It does not restate the pass-line lesson from the other guide, and it does not hand you a place-bet chart.
A casino can print both layouts in one room. The felt tells you which one you joined.
If the point boxes include 2, 3, 11, and 12, you are in the variant. If those totals are printed as one-roll losers or winners on the come-out, you left the variant. Stop and read the other page.
| Come-out total | This variant's pass | Standard come-out on this page | House edge quoted here |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7 | win | not rebuilt here | about 5.38% for even money, no odds, on this variant only |
| 2 | point | not rebuilt here | not a separate edge |
| 3 | point | not rebuilt here | not a separate edge |
| 11 | point | not rebuilt here | not a separate edge |
| 12 | point | not rebuilt here | not a separate edge |
| Any odds bet behind the line | not priced | not priced | not published |
The 5.38% figure is the even-money pass with no odds. Only a 7 wins the come-out, which is 6 of 36 pairs. Every other total becomes a point and wins only if it repeats before a 7. Adding those paths, the pass wins with probability 6557/13860. On an even-money bet the house edge is 1 minus twice that probability, which is 373/6930, about 5.382%, and that rounds to about 5.38%. Michael Shackleford records the same fraction for this pass. Do not apply it to a chip you put behind the line, and do not apply it to the field, the hardways, or a standard table.
Crapless craps odds at 5.38% with no odds bet
Crapless craps odds, for the decision this page will talk about, means one number. Even-money pass line, nothing behind it, about a 5.38% edge.
That is an average loss of about $5.38 per $100 resolved on that pass. It is not a commission printed on the chip, and it is not a promise about the next shooter.
Crapless craps payout
The crapless craps payout on that pass is even money when the decision wins. You risk $20 and a win returns $20 profit plus your stake, subject to the table's ordinary payment rules.
The edge is in how often the decision wins, not in a short-pay sticker on the win itself. Odds bets that pay a different multiple are outside this quote. Their edge is not published here.
A house-banked table and a peer pot do not share a fee schedule. Jackpot and Coinflip take 5% of the pot. Five percent of a pot is not 5.38% of a pass stake, and the two games do not resolve the same way.
How peer play compares: coinflip is a two-person pot with that 5% cut, and fairness is where you can check a settled result. When the game page shows a live block, the block updates from settled play. No shooter log is copied into this guide.
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| Price | This even-money pass | House-banked casino | PVPspinArena |
|---|---|---|---|
| Edge or fee | about 5.38%, no odds | not published for other bets | 5% of a Jackpot or Coinflip pot |
| Payout multiple on a win | even money | not published | winner receives the pot minus 5% |
| Speed | not published | not published | balance updates when the round settles |
| Promo code | we do not list a promo code | not published | we do not list a promo code |
A $50 pass beside a $50 seat
Label the contracts so the percentages are not mashed together.
Pass example. You bet $50 even money on the crapless pass and take no odds.
About 5.38% of $50 is about $2.69. That is the average loss on a resolved decision of this type, spread across many decisions.
A single decision still wins the full even-money payout or loses the $50. The $2.69 is not removed from a winning payoff as a commission.
Jackpot comparison, same stake size, different game. Four players each put $50 into a Jackpot.
The pot is $200. Five percent is $10.
The winner receives $190. The $10 is a fee on a $200 pot among players. It is not the dice edge, and the $2.69 is not a peer fee.
Coin example, different amount. Each side puts $13 on Coinflip.
The pot is $26. Five percent is $1.30.
The winner receives $24.70. Two people, one coin, a posted cut. No point number is involved.
Layout checks before the come-out
Confirm the variant with your eyes, then confirm the bet you meant.
- Find point boxes for 2, 3, 11, and 12. If they are missing, this page is the wrong page.
- Put the pass on even money only if you accept about a 5.38% edge with no odds.
- If you add an odds bet, treat its price as not published here. Read the layout.
- Do not copy place-bet or hardway prices from a standard-craps memory.
- Set a table budget in dollars before the first come-out.
- You are 18 or the higher local age.
- Ask the box, or read the help screen, whether the game is this variant.
- Keep proposition chips off the pass while you are still learning the point rule.
- Stop when the budget is gone, including after a made 12 that felt lucky.
- Write "5.38%, even money, no odds" in your notes so a later bet is not given this edge by accident.
Edges that show up when the pass is no longer alone
The 5.38% number is easy to misuse. Players remember it, then drop a stack on one-roll bets in the center and still say they are "playing the line." Those center bets are not priced on this page.
They can dwarf the pass edge. If you cannot name the edge of a chip, leave the chip in the rack.
A made point on 2 pays even money on the pass and feels enormous because it is rare. Rarity is already inside the 5.38% figure.
It is not a signal to press the next come-out. The dice have no memory of the twelve you just saw.
Online tables sometimes rename the variant. Read the come-out rule in the help file.
A skin that says "no craps numbers" might still pay a different multiple, or might add a side bet with its own hold. The side bet's hold is not published here.
Age and a budget that survives a point
Dice games are for adults. Eighteen is the minimum stated here.
Where the legal age is higher, the higher age wins. This is not legal advice, and it is not a statement that every state offers this layout.
A peer crypto balance does not turn a closed casino market into an open one. Play the variant only where that operator may offer it. If the help file hides who runs the game, stop.
Long come-outs and long point hunts make sessions feel short on decisions and long on time. Use ways to pause dice play when the point of 12 becomes a reason to stay past the budget.
The point is a total. It is not an obligation.
One edge, one pass, no extra chart
Crapless craps, on this page, means a come-out that wins only on 7, with 2, 3, 11 and 12 as points. Even money and no odds is about a 5.38% edge.
That is the whole numeric claim. Odds bets and the standard come-out are other articles.
Put the pass only if that price is the price you meant. Compare it with a peer pot when you want a fee you can compute exactly: 5% of the pot, winner takes the rest. The dice average and the pot fee answer different questions.
Leave the table at the budget. A rare point that hits is already included in the edge. It does not rewrite the next come-out.
Dealers and help files sometimes rename the layout. Trust the point boxes, not the nickname on the felt. If 2, 3, 11, and 12 are points, you are still on this page's contract.
If a side bet sits next to those boxes, leave its price unread by this article. The only figure to carry away is about 5.38% on even money with nothing behind the line.
A pass line that turns 2, 3, 11, and 12 into points is not the field. The one-roll field prices a different set of faces.
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