Past posting: a bet placed after the dice or the ball has already settled

Past posting is a casino cheat with a plain definition. You put a wager on the layout, or you add to a wager, after the event you are betting on has already been decided. The name comes from horse racing, where a "post" is the start of a race. A past-post bet is a bet that claims to have been made before the start, when it was actually made after the result was known. On a casino floor the same idea attaches to a settled roll or a settled spin.

The three words the law uses

Nevada's gaming crimes chapter uses three labels for this family of acts:

All three rewrite the wager after chance is gone. Past-posting and pressing try to collect on a winner you did not have. Pinching tries to take a loser off the layout once you can see that it lost. This page names those acts so you can recognise them. It does not describe hand movements, timing, or any way to attempt them.

You will also hear dealers and pit staff use "late bet" for a chip that is simply slow. A slow chip that the dealer refuses is ordinary table control. Past posting is the case where someone tries to make that late chip count. The casino etiquette guide is the right place for how to sit, handle chips, and keep your hands in sight so staff never have to guess.

A casino bet is a price on an uncertain result. The house edge is supposed to come from that price, paid by every timely wager, over a large number of decisions. Past posting throws the price away. If you can add money only to winners, and pull money off losers, your expected value is no longer the published price of the game. It is a claim on money that was never wagered.

That is why casinos treat it as theft rather than as sharp play. The layout, the markers, and the dealer's payoff are an accounting system. Changing the account after the number is known is the same kind of lie as altering a receipt. The amount can be one chip or a stack. The legal problem is the timing, and the intent to have the late money paid or saved.

What staff are told to do

Dealers and supervisors are trained to close betting and to announce that close. Once betting is closed, further chips are not wagers. The dealer leaves them out of the payoff or pushes them back to the player and calls them a no-bet. If a dispute starts, the hand stops and a supervisor looks. Nobody "sorts it out" by paying a chip whose arrival nobody can defend.

Employees are inside the same rule. A boxman, dealer, or supervisor who books a bet, even a toke bet for the crew, after the result is known is in the same category. Nevada courts have described past posting as swindling. Circus Circus Hotels v. Witherspoon (1983) used that description for an employee accused of past-posting a toke bet. The case was an employment dispute, and the label still applied to staff.

Street cheats are a different setting. Three-card monte is a sidewalk game built so the mark misunderstands the result. Past posting happens on a regulated table, against a licensed house, and it is prosecuted as a gaming crime.

Past posting is talked about most often on craps and roulette because both games resolve in public. The dice stop. The ball drops into a pocket. The house closes betting before that result can be used, and cameras sit on the layout so the record of the bets is not a matter of opinion. Stop moving chips once the dealer has closed the betting. Your legitimate bets are the ones that were accepted while the result was still open.

This page will not describe a window of seconds, a place to rest your hand, or a motion that hides a chip. Those details are the cheat. What you need as a player is the rule: if the result is known, your new chip is not a bet.

Craps

On craps, a roll ends when the dice have settled and the stick call is made. Bets that were allowed for that roll are the ones in the boxes or on the lines before the roll decided them. A chip dropped on a winner after the dice are dead is a late chip. The crew is supposed to refuse it. The true prices of the bets that were legal are in the craps odds guide. Those prices assume the wager was at risk for the whole roll. A roulette chip has the same requirement: it has to be on the layout while the spin is still open.

Roulette

On roulette, the ball settles in one numbered pocket. Bets for that spin are the chips on the layout when betting closed. A chip placed on the winning number after the ball has settled is the textbook past-post. The dealer should not pay it. Colour bets, dozens, and straight-up numbers all follow the same clock: the close happens before the pocket is a result you can use. The pay table is irrelevant to a chip that was never in action. A sports bet after the score is final is the same lie about timing. Craps and roulette are simply the versions players hear about, because the outcome sits in the middle of the table.

Nevada Revised Statutes chapter 465 is the criminal chapter for gaming. NRS 465.070 lists fraudulent acts. One subsection makes it unlawful to place or increase a bet after acquiring knowledge of the outcome of the game or event, and it names past-posting and pressing bets in that sentence. The next subsection makes it unlawful to reduce the amount wagered or cancel the bet after acquiring that knowledge, and it names pinching bets.

A separate section, NRS 465.083, says it is unlawful for any person, owner, employee, or player, to cheat at any gambling game. Together, the two sections cover both the specific late-bet conduct and cheating in general. You do not need a special device. The act is the wager's false time.

The Nevada Legislature publishes the chapter, and that text is the authority for the labels above. Penalties depend on the offence and the amount. Casinos refer cases whether the chip is small or large, because the licence depends on the books being real.

Other casino states, tribal casinos, and sportsbooks use their own section numbers for the same conduct: a bet after the outcome is known. A slow button on an app is a customer-service claim. Repeating it after you could see the result is the same offence in digital form. Advantage play that uses the published rules, such as basic strategy at blackjack, is a different subject. Past posting breaks the rule that the bet precedes the result.

Casinos build the table so a late chip is hard to pass off as an old one. The pit boss stands where several games are visible. Dealers work in a routine: close betting, deliver the result, pay and take in an order, then open the next round. Breaking that order is itself a signal. Above the table, cameras record the layout. The casino surveillance guide explains the eye in the sky as a review system: when a payoff is disputed, staff replay the hand rather than relying on whoever speaks first.

The recording shows when the chip arrived relative to the dice or the ball. That record is why a late chip is difficult to pass off as a bet that was already there. Prosecutors and gaming agents use that record. Arrests in casino cheating cases are ordinary news in gambling cities. The patron is detained, identified, and the tape is kept. A licence holder that pays obvious late bets and shrugs also has a regulatory problem, so the incentive to report runs in one direction.

What you should do at the table

Play only with chips the dealer has accepted before the result. Keep your hands away from the layout once betting is closed. If you were slow, accept the no-bet. Arguing a late chip into a payoff is how a clumsy moment gets written up as an attempt. If you see someone else move chips onto a winner after the result, leave it to the crew.

Assume you are on camera from the moment you step to the rail. In Nevada the Gaming Control Board can be involved alongside local police. The recording is the usual evidence.

Past posting is sometimes lumped in with every way a player tries to win. The lump is wrong. Card counting tracks which cards have been seen and bets more when the remaining deck favours the player. In Nevada it is not, by itself, the crime described in NRS 465.070. Casinos may still refuse the action and back the player off. That is a business decision about a skilled patron. It is explained in is card counting illegal. Past posting has no similar debate. The bet was not in time, so there is no "edge" to argue. There is a wager that did not exist.

Craps and roulette pay less than the true odds on the bets most people make, which is how the house earns its keep on honest action. Use the odds guides linked above for that arithmetic. A room that depended on past posting would be a criminal operation, and regulators close those.

A bet you can check

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If you remember one line, remember this: a bet counts only when it was at risk before the outcome. Anything after that is a late chip, and trying to get it paid is past posting.

See also hole carding and marked cards.